SITCON_2022_R0_Keynote_返校十年：投身資訊教育經驗談_1UX1_BJD3Tk.srt

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各位早安

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感謝大家來

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大家風雨無阻

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真的是讓人感動

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在講議程之前

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我們來看一個小問題

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就是說你知道石墨

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它是一種煤炭

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是還是不是嗎

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好

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然後這個是一個科普小資料

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就是剛好昨天晚上

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我跟我女兒聊天的時候

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聊到這個

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那直接跟你講結論

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結論就是說石墨

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它其實不是煤炭

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石墨跟鑽石是來自地含

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你要知道就是

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一整個地球

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我昨天在跟我女兒聊

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地球科學

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然後我們要知道煤炭

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它是透過生物活動

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但是石墨跟鑽石

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來自地含的炭

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所以這兩

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就是石墨跟鑽石有同樣來源

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但是石墨跟煤炭的來源

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是差異很大的

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所以你不能把石墨

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說是一種煤炭

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因為從來石墨

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就不是樹的一部分

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好

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那石墨可不可以變鑽石

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大家都很清楚

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只要經過夠大的能量

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你可以看到說分子結構

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你做必要的變更的話

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是可以做得到

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也因為人造鑽石

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可以大幅地降低開採成本

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然後有很多衝突鑽石的發生

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後來鑽石在衡量的時候

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很有趣

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我們現在會講所謂人造鑽石

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但是事實上人造跟自然鑽石

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它本質上結構是一模一樣的

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甚至後來在教育市場

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直接把人造這個字拿掉

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不管是人造或是自然

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認定結構是一樣的

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為什麼要跟你講這件事呢

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這十年我發現一個很有趣的事情

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就是資訊教育其實可以用石墨

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到鑽石來做比喻

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我們來看一個簡單的對比

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假設我們把生生學子

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都把它定義到石墨

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就是來自地含的寶貴資源

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然後經過很大量的能量處理之後

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它會變鑽石

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這也許就是我們資訊教育的產出

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我想大家風雨無阻的來到這邊

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應該是希望有一天會變鑽石

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當然也可能你本來就鑽石

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但是需要再多一點琢磨

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我想作為一個資訊教育的從業人員

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我認為我們在哪裡

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我認為我們在中間

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注意到鑽石跟石墨是來自同一個來源

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還記得吧 地含

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但是中間其實來自很多不同的變化

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這邊我引用 2000 年的教育大詞典的定義

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你看教育大詞典跟你說什麼呢

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跟你說引用要標註出處

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可是我標註出處為什麼畫面是黑的

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那我們繼續講

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那就是教育大詞典

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不好意思 年紀比較大了

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看字看得辛苦一點

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教育大詞典說什麼呢

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他說資訊教育的定義是

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只說利用電腦當工具

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然後應用於教育管理

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學校教學還有教育研究

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注意到這是他的定義

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那我們剛才講就是說

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從石墨到鑽石其實需要夠大量的能量

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你是不是懷疑你的視力有問題

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不是你的視力有問題

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純粹只是彩蛋

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我們等一下可能會來揭曉這個彩蛋的發生

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總之就是說

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從石墨到最終的產出

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其實需要能量

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可是我認為我們現在遇到一個很奇怪的狀況

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本來電腦是一個工具

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但是現在資訊教育

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卻圍繞在各式各樣的工具上面

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就是你可以看到說

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我們會有很多相關的課程

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就圍繞在各式各樣的工具

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有 3D 製圖的 有文書處理的

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當然也有一些通用性的程式設計

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但是不管怎樣

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本體的教育到底是什麼

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就是我們講資訊教育

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前面我們引述這個定義

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就是說教育大詞典

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在 20 年前就有這樣的定義

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其實電腦本來應該是工具

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但是最後竟然有一個很特別的現象

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就是它異化了

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就變成說它本來是一個工具

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應該是來輔助的

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但是它竟然變成一個主體

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那我想這也是我們會發生

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各式各樣資訊教育的期待落差

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還有各式各樣的衝突的來源

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大概就是這樣

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因為本來是配角的

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現在變主角了

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然後主角圍繞著配角轉久了

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主角忘記他自己是誰了

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好 那請問資訊教育的產出

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到底是什麼

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就是經過剛才從石墨到鑽石

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你會希望最後的鑽石長什麼樣

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那你想

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你應該笑一下對不對

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這個是笑話

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要記得笑

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我忘記排助教了

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抱歉

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那就是這個你看喔

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難道我們資訊教育的產出

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是看到這些不同顏色

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然後你可以告訴色碼

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可以告訴 RGBA 是什麼

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這是我們的產出嗎

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還是呢

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還是說讓學生知道

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高等教育真的可以當飯碗

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你有沒有看到上面是什麼

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上面是高等數學第六板上冊

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那是真的可以當飯碗

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就是說你是為了有飯碗

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來讀這個資訊教育

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來接受資訊教育

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還是說呢

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讓你知道說

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產業的需求的描述

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跟實際做事的不同

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就是左邊可能就是在

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工作描述上寫一大堆

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然後最終到了公司

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你懂嗎

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有些工具是特別好用的

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像 Excel

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然後

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我們要發揮想像力了

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為什麼大家沒有笑一下

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對不對

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忘記跟議程組溝通了

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我們要一排的負責笑了

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感謝風茶

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然後呢

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或是說呢

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資訊教育難道就是跟你說

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主流技術是什麼

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它告訴你說

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什麼技術呢

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在 1991 年的時候

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是有一大堆作業系統的

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你上面畫面看到

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有一大堆作業系統

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然後到了 2021 年的時候

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伺服器的作業系統

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主要是在 Linux

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難道資訊教育

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是要告訴你這件事嗎

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我想不是

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不是

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與其繞了一大圈

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我們不如用小野

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作家小野

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她的女兒很有意思

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就是在她升高中的時候

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讀高中讀沒多久

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小野的女兒跟她老爸說

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她想要休學

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他們父女就一起寫這本書

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那裡面有一句話我覺得很棒

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她說真正的教育

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是讓學生有足夠的支撐跟力量

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有足夠的展現機會

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要足夠的信心跟歡樂

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我想資訊教育也是這樣

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就是說

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我們使用這些資訊技術

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它本來應該是

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它本來是一個輔助

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你本體上要拿資訊技術

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來解決問題

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帶來歡樂

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然後這些可以來做實際的用途

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而不是圍繞在一個一個

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你學了工具完

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開始學編輯器

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開始學程式語言

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然後開始沾一下程式語言

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然後你繞了一大圈之後

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你忘了你到底當初為什麼要學這個

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既然上面引用了這本書

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叫做爸爸我要休學

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我自己的故事是這樣

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2002 年的時候

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我就真的休學了

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休學的時候我就跟蘇文毅教授

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稍後有一個座談會

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在我們今天議程有一個座談會

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蘇文毅教授我就寫信給他說

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那時候是我的導師

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我就說導師我要跟你約時間

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我要跟你談休學

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然後過了十年

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我就從問題學生

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然後變成問題老師

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你說問題老師是什麼

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因為個人身分的關係

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老師常常學校有些困擾

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學校就是會有一些困擾

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例如說

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比方說記者會來採訪

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記者採訪就喜歡採訪那種

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為什麼大學可以突然到大學任教

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然後又可以講什麼社會不公

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學校什麼鬼

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然後再來是說

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學校有很多規定其實是很有趣的

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比方說

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我那時候要填資料的時候

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他上面會跟你填說

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請問你博士哪一間

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我說我沒得填

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他說那請問你碩士哪一間

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我沒得填

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然後沒有大學那一欄

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教職員的表格只有碩士讀哪間

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博士讀哪間

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碩士有讀過幾個學位

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博士讀過幾個學位

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然後說真的要寫

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我只能寫高中

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寫台中一中

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他說沒有表格怎麼辦呢

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那後來我們就花了那時間研究

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原來可以自己貼表格

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你懂我意思嗎

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所以我常常造成老師們的困擾

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承辦人員困擾

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然後更有意思的地方是

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當我還是個學生的時候

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因為那時候很喜歡嗆老師

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然後嗆我的

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我那時候嗆的老師

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其中有一個是

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智慧訊源的老師

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你大概知道怎麼嗆

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因為那時候對 Linux 很狂熱

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我就跟老師說

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老師你有看過 Linux Kernel 嗎

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你有改過 Linux Kernel 嗎

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那你沒有改過 Linux Kernel

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你教 Linux 教個屁

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類似這種話

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然後沒想到這個

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2001 年嗆那個教授

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他後來變成我的系主任

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就是我回到學校的時候系主任

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也就是他批准我的

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然後那時候開那個

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課程委員會的時候比較困擾一點

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就是開始在討論說

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老師們要教什麼課

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然後那個系主任就說

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這個課叫黃慶勳來教就好了

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他智慧訊源超熟的

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然後這時候就會有一個老師

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被我嗆過的老師

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他就說這個系

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就是某某課

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比方說什麼虛擬實境

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他很有自己的意見

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然後反正你在課程委員會

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那一半比較資深的教授

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就是把我酸一頓

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意思是說黃慶勳這麼會

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就沒那麼課

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大家自己來開

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好 然後這個

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我想這一次對我來講很特別

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因為我離開學校的時候

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剛好遇到

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你可能有聽過叫做

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叫什麼 叫做科技新貴

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科技新貴那個年代

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就是你可能聽過

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一些師長有講過

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就什麼拿股票分紅

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可以到退休

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我覺得對一半

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所以我換個地方退休這樣

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所以應該是真的

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就某些地方是真的

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我以前那個升遷很快

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就是我印象中

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我印象中我拿到最小的職位

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叫做資深工程師

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反正後來就升很快

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副處長 然後技術長之類的

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但是在學校很不同

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學校就是說

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你必須要紮紮實實的

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從最基本的職位開始

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就是你知道嗎

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就是從講師 助理教授

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這樣一路升上來

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然後每一次都要

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很複雜的評鑑

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就是說真的很不習慣

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但是對我來講

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就是一個重新的學習

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那我想這過程中

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很特別的地方是說

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我自己對高等教育是

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曾經是徹底失望

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所以我在大學三年級的時候

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離開學校

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但是工作時間之後

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我就回去學校

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我很喜歡這張證件

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事實上我的錢包

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也只放這張證件

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學校有給我那個

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你懂嗎

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就學校不是給你一些

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教師證什麼的

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我沒有留著

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因為對我來講

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那個沒什麼屁用

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頂多折個十塊錢那種

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但是學生證我一直留著

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因為我就是覺得說

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事實上我在學校

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其實是一個學生

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跟著 應該是我的學生們

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我一直跟著他學習

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因為我們的課其實一直改

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然後我在教什麼

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就教一些基礎建設

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聽起來很無聊的東西

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但是非常關鍵

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而且我在想的事情很簡單

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就是大學其實很多時候

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應該就是著重在

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這種基礎建設上

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因為事實上很熱門的東西

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比方說區塊鏈現在很熱門

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或者說什麼加密貨幣

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DeFi

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你知道一大堆那種技術

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那說真的

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這些東西需要

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我們在大學特別教嗎

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其實有自覺的人

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他自己就會學

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或者說你看之前加密貨幣

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加密貨幣是牛市的時候

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就是整個市場炒作很重的時候

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說真的我搭高鐵前後左右

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一堆阿伯一堆阿嬤

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他們都在討論要買一個

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我還聽到有人說要買 Solana

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然後還有買 Luna 的

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我差點喝飲料

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我差點吐出來

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然後就是

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不知道 Luna 什麼梗

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自己去查

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總之就是說

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我們在大學真的需要教這些東西嗎

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其實我覺得不是

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應該是我們要探討的東西

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其實甚至不是知識

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所以對我來講

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最重要的議題是說

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納稅人竟然花這麼多

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就是這麼多資本

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投入到教育上

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你可以看到說

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依據去年的報導

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你可以看到說

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在我們國家支出

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佔第二比重高的

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事實上不是國防

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國防是第三順位

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第二順位是什麼

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是教育科學文化

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當然高等教育

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事實上是整個

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科學教育文化的其中一環

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但是很特別的地方是

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納稅人其實沒有選擇

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他必須要把這麼

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經過這個政府的力量

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這麼大的資本

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要注入在這裡面

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那請問這麼多資本注入之後

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我們的高等教育

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到底有什麼改變

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這我想這是要去了解

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而且高等教育看起來

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如果排名上有改變

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但是為什麼我們的學生

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總是懷疑自己說

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畢業之後要做什麼

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總是懷疑說

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我沒有年薪多少錢

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我會怎樣

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然後甚至懷疑說

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我讀這個書夠不夠

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我讀這書不夠

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好 我是不是換另外一間學校

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繼續讀下去

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好 那老實說一開始

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我去學校的時候

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真的也不知道要教什麼

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然後但是我就想到一件事

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老子我是竹科工程師

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竹科工程師有個很厲害的地方

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就是肝很強

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所以那時候上課

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你們注意看那個

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左邊是亮的對不對

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然後右邊是亮的

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為什麼左邊是亮的

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因為過了 20 個小時

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然後所以就是

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比方說我就設定一些目標

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叫學生把東西產出來

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反正老子就陪你

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然後你可以看到說

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桌子不上一堆線材

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然後到時候可能晚上

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又是一堆飲料

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然後事實上那時候

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上課其實滿容易的

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就是拿一個白板

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開始想說

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我們今天目標是什麼

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然後開始設計電路

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設計電路之後開始設計程式

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然後時間到做不出來的話

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就是叫學生去看日出

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然後叫學生瞇一下

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那當然這個不是一個

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合理的教書方式

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但是說真的

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當時教書就是這樣教

477
00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:20,000
因為我知道要做某些事

478
00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,000
但是我想要知道

479
00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:23,000
學生能夠做什麼

480
00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,000
那當然後來就比較有系統了

481
00:14:25,000 --> 00:14:26,000
所以後來就是說

482
00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:27,000
我們選用一些

483
00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:29,000
物美價廉的硬體

484
00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,000
然後完全使用自由軟體

485
00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:33,000
用 GNU Linus

486
00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:35,000
還有一堆 Open Source 的開發套件

487
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,000
開始做一些硬體

488
00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:38,000
然後後來呢

489
00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,000
有些學生很有熱情

490
00:14:40,000 --> 00:14:41,000
甚至於設計一個飛控板

491
00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,000
就是我們完全沒有使用

492
00:14:43,000 --> 00:14:45,000
現成的飛控管

493
00:14:45,000 --> 00:14:47,000
就是我們就自己設計硬體

494
00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:49,000
然後開發裡面的軟體

495
00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:50,000
然後後來呢

496
00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,000
就開發打造的類似這樣東西

497
00:14:52,000 --> 00:14:53,000
那有些機構很有趣

498
00:14:53,000 --> 00:14:56,000
有些機構就是拿現成

499
00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:57,000
然後學生開始鋸

500
00:14:57,000 --> 00:14:58,000
鋸完之後開始磨

501
00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:00,000
然後開始去調整

502
00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,000
然後呢

503
00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:05,000
這整個系統其實是滿複雜的

504
00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:06,000
那我很感動的時候

505
00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,000
我們一開始做出來的東西

506
00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:09,000
是真的很陽春的

507
00:15:09,000 --> 00:15:10,000
我們一開始做出來的東西

508
00:15:10,000 --> 00:15:13,000
是 2013 年就做這種玩具的

509
00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:15,000
就是做這種

510
00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:19,000
這我們有剪掉一些那個

511
00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:22,000
剪掉一些在戲館

512
00:15:22,000 --> 00:15:24,000
戲館打地鋪的事情

513
00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:25,000
好 就是你看喔

514
00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:28,000
這是我們 2013 年做的東西

515
00:15:28,000 --> 00:15:29,000
好 然後呢

516
00:15:29,000 --> 00:15:31,000
有意思的地方是

517
00:15:31,000 --> 00:15:32,000
有意思的地方是

518
00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:35,000
要怎麼離開全螢幕

519
00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:37,000
有 太好了

520
00:15:38,000 --> 00:15:40,000
好 然後到了 2016 年的時候

521
00:15:40,000 --> 00:15:42,000
我們就可以做出這樣的

522
00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:43,000
然後這個

523
00:15:43,000 --> 00:15:45,000
你可能沒辦法理解是什麼

524
00:15:45,000 --> 00:15:46,000
我們稱為 QIQ

525
00:15:46,000 --> 00:15:47,000
就是說呢

526
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,000
它是油電混合的飛行器

527
00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:52,000
那它有一個很重要的目標

528
00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,000
就是它可以自攻超過一個小時

529
00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:55,000
那也就是說

530
00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,000
你從金門飛到廈門

531
00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:59,000
然後再送一些什麼

532
00:15:59,000 --> 00:16:01,000
乖乖什麼鬼的

533
00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:02,000
然後再拿一些金牛麵粉回來

534
00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:04,000
是完全綽綽有餘的

535
00:16:04,000 --> 00:16:05,000
好 然後呢

536
00:16:05,000 --> 00:16:06,000
那這樣的東西呢

537
00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,000
其實很有趣的地方是什麼呢

538
00:16:08,000 --> 00:16:09,000
就是你看喔

539
00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:11,000
我們在 2013 年的時候

540
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:12,000
就真的是做一個玩具

541
00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:13,000
市面上一個玩具

542
00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:15,000
然後到了 2016 年的時候

543
00:16:15,000 --> 00:16:16,000
過了三年

544
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:17,000
然後這整個東西

545
00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:18,000
就是變得真的能用了

546
00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,000
而且自控可以超過一個小時

547
00:16:20,000 --> 00:16:21,000
就是它油電混合

548
00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,000
然後它突破很多關鍵問題

549
00:16:24,000 --> 00:16:25,000
這之後我們簡報上線的時候呢

550
00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:29,000
大家可以看裡面的相關的展示

551
00:16:29,000 --> 00:16:33,000
還有當時的原始程式碼

552
00:16:33,000 --> 00:16:35,000
那也因為看了這些學生

553
00:16:35,000 --> 00:16:39,000
其實我真的是很感動

554
00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:41,000
所以這個東西呢

555
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,000
它跟一般的飛行器是不同的

556
00:16:43,000 --> 00:16:44,000
就是它裡面

557
00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,000
你有沒有看到它中間是什麼

558
00:16:46,000 --> 00:16:47,000
中間是電的

559
00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,000
那外面掛什麼鬼呢

560
00:16:48,000 --> 00:16:50,000
外面掛的是一堆汽油

561
00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:51,000
所以它可以就是說

562
00:16:51,000 --> 00:16:53,000
用電

563
00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,000
這個很猛對不對

564
00:16:55,000 --> 00:16:56,000
我們不要停太久

565
00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:58,000
好 總之就是說呢

566
00:16:58,000 --> 00:16:59,000
這個你看喔

567
00:16:59,000 --> 00:17:00,000
這其實說真的

568
00:17:00,000 --> 00:17:01,000
我從這些學生身上

569
00:17:01,000 --> 00:17:05,000
就是真的看到很多這種希望

570
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:07,000
有沒有人可以救我一下

571
00:17:07,000 --> 00:17:10,000
要怎麼回到全螢幕啊

572
00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,000
這樣子嗎

573
00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,000
F11

574
00:17:13,000 --> 00:17:14,000
喔 太感謝

575
00:17:14,000 --> 00:17:15,000
感謝 不好意思

576
00:17:15,000 --> 00:17:16,000
我是電腦白癡

577
00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:17,000
好

578
00:17:17,000 --> 00:17:19,000
這個當電腦白癡真的很辛苦

579
00:17:19,000 --> 00:17:21,000
電腦白癡還自己假裝是電腦高手

580
00:17:21,000 --> 00:17:23,000
還當開幕演講者

581
00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:24,000
真是

582
00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:25,000
真是很辛苦

583
00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,000
所以大家忍耐一下

584
00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:28,000
那其實看到他們

585
00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:29,000
其實真的是一個

586
00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:30,000
很感動的地方在哪裡

587
00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,000
就是一開始真的是一個小玩具

588
00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,000
那後來這些學生們

589
00:17:35,000 --> 00:17:38,000
甚至自己創業開公司

590
00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:39,000
那你大概知道就是說

591
00:17:39,000 --> 00:17:41,000
飛行器創業大概可以做什麼

592
00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,000
比方說做搜救

593
00:17:42,000 --> 00:17:43,000
那現在擴充版本

594
00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,000
也可以滯空兩個小時

595
00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,000
那滯空兩個小時可以做很多事

596
00:17:46,000 --> 00:17:49,000
比方說做偵查 搜救

597
00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:50,000
甚至是消防

598
00:17:50,000 --> 00:17:51,000
注意到我們講的消防

599
00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,000
不是把水載到天空去灑

600
00:17:53,000 --> 00:17:54,000
而是說

601
00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:56,000
因為其實現在森林裡面

602
00:17:56,000 --> 00:17:57,000
像裡面有一個學生

603
00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:59,000
他是泰國人

604
00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:00,000
那泰國其實在森林的火柴

605
00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:01,000
其實滿多的

606
00:18:01,000 --> 00:18:03,000
那所以你可以想像說

607
00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:04,000
這樣的長期滯空

608
00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:07,000
他可以做預警

609
00:18:07,000 --> 00:18:09,000
然後之前在去年也獲得

610
00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,000
高通的競賽大獎

611
00:18:12,000 --> 00:18:14,000
然後那時候

612
00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,000
我就沒有特別給學生什麼目標

613
00:18:17,000 --> 00:18:18,000
說真的我就

614
00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:20,000
給同學目標很簡單

615
00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,000
就是我每一組就發給你六千塊

616
00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:23,000
我自己拿自己的錢

617
00:18:23,000 --> 00:18:24,000
發給你六千塊

618
00:18:24,000 --> 00:18:25,000
你把六千塊花完

619
00:18:25,000 --> 00:18:26,000
然後也不用報帳

620
00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:27,000
反正你想要搞什麼鬼

621
00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,000
就搞什麼鬼

622
00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:29,000
那有一組同學就做了一個

623
00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:31,000
自動吉他的演奏機器人

624
00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,000
那這個東西

625
00:18:32,000 --> 00:18:34,000
當然它距離商業化是很遙遠的

626
00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:37,000
但是一樣很感人的地方在哪裡

627
00:18:37,000 --> 00:18:38,000
裡面開發的人

628
00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,000
他有他的堅持

629
00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:42,000
其中有一個同學是詹博程同學

630
00:18:42,000 --> 00:18:44,000
他是台南一中第一個全盲生

631
00:18:44,000 --> 00:18:45,000
然後到了成功大學

632
00:18:45,000 --> 00:18:48,000
創校 80 年來第一個全盲生

633
00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:51,000
然後裡面吉他演奏的程式

634
00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:53,000
就是由這個學生寫的

635
00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000
然後你要想就明眼人

636
00:18:55,000 --> 00:18:57,000
眼睛好的人

637
00:18:57,000 --> 00:18:58,000
都不見得可以把程式寫好

638
00:18:58,000 --> 00:18:59,000
那一個眼睛看不到

639
00:18:59,000 --> 00:19:01,000
而且耳朵也聽不清楚的人

640
00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:03,000
竟然就可以撰寫這樣的程式

641
00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:05,000
而且就是他很堅持說

642
00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:06,000
他是全盲生

643
00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:07,000
然後一定要怎樣

644
00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,000
一定要開發軟體給盲人去使用

645
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,000
然後我好幾次都很想離開學校

646
00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,000
你懂了吧

647
00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:17,000
在學校就算你不在意待遇的話

648
00:19:17,000 --> 00:19:18,000
你知道嗎

649
00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,000
就是真的還蠻艱辛的

650
00:19:20,000 --> 00:19:21,000
就是你要想想看

651
00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,000
我在教書前的十年

652
00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,000
我做過最小的職缺

653
00:19:26,000 --> 00:19:29,000
職缺叫做資深工程師

654
00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:31,000
然後之後處長那邊反轉去

655
00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:34,000
然後我不到三十歲就當上市公司的顧問

656
00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,000
但是到了學校就是

657
00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:36,000
對不起

658
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,000
一切從最基本的開始

659
00:19:38,000 --> 00:19:39,000
然後像有的學校

660
00:19:39,000 --> 00:19:41,000
你知道那宋建什麼

661
00:19:41,000 --> 00:19:42,000
不能講太多

662
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:43,000
你懂了

663
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:44,000
總之就是說

664
00:19:44,000 --> 00:19:47,000
在學校真的是很困難

665
00:19:47,000 --> 00:19:49,000
但是有這樣的學生們

666
00:19:49,000 --> 00:19:51,000
就這樣的一個不同的學生

667
00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:53,000
其實給我很大的一個支持

668
00:19:53,000 --> 00:19:55,000
然後後來也遇到一些有趣的事情

669
00:19:55,000 --> 00:19:59,000
比方說我自己在成功大學資訊工程系

670
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,000
我是開這個 Computer Architecture

671
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:02,000
就是叫你設計 CPU 的

672
00:20:02,000 --> 00:20:03,000
聽起來很無聊

673
00:20:03,000 --> 00:20:06,000
然後我們自己會設計自己的一個模擬器

674
00:20:06,000 --> 00:20:07,000
然後很酷的地方是

675
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,000
這門課大部分的主要的學生

676
00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:11,000
是碩博士班的學生

677
00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:14,000
然後不是一般的班

678
00:20:14,000 --> 00:20:16,000
是他真的碩博士

679
00:20:16,000 --> 00:20:17,000
然後很酷的地方是什麼

680
00:20:17,000 --> 00:20:19,000
最近我們就收到準高中生

681
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,000
也就是說他貢獻程式碼的時候

682
00:20:21,000 --> 00:20:22,000
還是國中畢業生

683
00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,000
然後就會發現很奇特的事情

684
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:27,000
就是碩博士的學生

685
00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:30,000
他用的教材竟然是國中畢業生寫的

686
00:20:30,000 --> 00:20:33,000
那現在是高中一年級學生

687
00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,000
那這個我想這就是 Open Source

688
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:36,000
我覺得很有趣的地方

689
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:37,000
就是說他是讓你協作

690
00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:40,000
然後而且這樣的協作可以持續下去

691
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:43,000
然後我在大學開

692
00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,000
除了嵌入式系統以外

693
00:20:45,000 --> 00:20:46,000
我也開這個 Linux 的課

694
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,000
那 Linux 為什麼要特別去開呢

695
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,000
因為他其實把很多 Computer Science 的東西集中起來

696
00:20:51,000 --> 00:20:53,000
他不是一個作業系統的核心而已

697
00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,000
事實上在 Linux Kernel 裡面

698
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:56,000
他有什麼

699
00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:57,000
他有資料壓縮

700
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:58,000
有密碼學

701
00:20:58,000 --> 00:21:00,000
而且密碼學的部分

702
00:21:00,000 --> 00:21:02,000
大概有八萬行

703
00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,000
比那個你聽過那個 Semaphore

704
00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:08,000
Mutex 那些同步處理的部分還來得多

705
00:21:08,000 --> 00:21:10,000
然後裡面甚至還有內建編譯器

706
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:11,000
對 你沒有聽錯

707
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:14,000
在 Linux Kernel 裡面還內建編譯器

708
00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,000
編譯 Linux Kernel 的時候的確需要編譯器

709
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,000
但是 Linux Kernel 裡面有編譯器

710
00:21:18,000 --> 00:21:19,000
Linux Kernel 裡面還有虛擬機器

711
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:20,000
而且還不只一套

712
00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,000
總之 Linux Kernel 是一個非常適合

713
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000
學習 Computer Science 的切入點

714
00:21:25,000 --> 00:21:26,000
基本上你可以看到

715
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,000
Computer Science 你聽過的科目領域

716
00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,000
其實在這裡面都有涵蓋

717
00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:32,000
但是有一個尷尬的地方是什麼呢

718
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:34,000
Linux Kernel 改版超級快

719
00:21:34,000 --> 00:21:35,000
但是你看

720
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,000
你如果用 Google 搜尋去搜尋

721
00:21:37,000 --> 00:21:38,000
Linux Kernel Books

722
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,000
記得要加一個複數

723
00:21:40,000 --> 00:21:41,000
複數你會看到

724
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,000
對 就只有這樣輸出結果

725
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,000
我的結果跟你的結果不會差太多

726
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,000
然後有一個荒謬的地方是什麼呢

727
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,000
今年是 2022 年

728
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:51,000
2022 年你去 Google 搜尋

729
00:21:51,000 --> 00:21:52,000
對不起 你還找到的結果

730
00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:53,000
還是差不多這些書

731
00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:54,000
也就是說

732
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:57,000
這些 Linux Kernel 的發展雖然很快

733
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,000
但是它的書本是嚴重落後的

734
00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:00,000
那導致我們很難教書

735
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:01,000
所以怎麼辦呢

736
00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,000
那乾脆就自己寫一本

737
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:04,000
所以我們就

738
00:22:04,000 --> 00:22:06,000
我在學校就跟學生一起

739
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,000
我們來寫一本

740
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:08,000
然後我們希望可以在

741
00:22:08,000 --> 00:22:10,000
今年年底的時候對外公開

742
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,000
那秉著這樣的話

743
00:22:11,000 --> 00:22:14,000
我們也是去改寫現有的一些書籍

744
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:15,000
像這個 LKMPG

745
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,000
它原本最後一次更新是 2007 年

746
00:22:18,000 --> 00:22:19,000
我們就直接把它更新

747
00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:20,000
然後變成課程教材

748
00:22:20,000 --> 00:22:22,000
有興趣可以去參考

749
00:22:22,000 --> 00:22:24,000
然後除了這以外的話

750
00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,000
我們那時候就很了解一件事

751
00:22:26,000 --> 00:22:28,000
如果要讓這樣的課程有效

752
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,000
其實你需要更多高手介入

753
00:22:30,000 --> 00:22:34,000
那像我自己在 2017 年以前

754
00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:36,000
我還有開硬鐵課

755
00:22:36,000 --> 00:22:37,000
那之後我就因為家庭關係

756
00:22:37,000 --> 00:22:38,000
因為你知道

757
00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:40,000
就是教硬鐵課其實

758
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:41,000
我很喜歡教硬鐵課

759
00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:43,000
我很喜歡做那個四手飛行器

760
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,000
我很喜歡做這種

761
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,000
什麼吉他演奏機器人

762
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:51,000
什麼機器人賽跑的

763
00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:52,000
我很喜歡做這種事

764
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:53,000
但是問題是那很花時間

765
00:22:53,000 --> 00:22:56,000
然後所以後來就只好

766
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,000
忍痛不開這硬鐵課

767
00:22:58,000 --> 00:22:59,000
那不開硬鐵課

768
00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:00,000
其實我想還有一個

769
00:23:00,000 --> 00:23:02,000
很關鍵的問題就是說

770
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:03,000
之後我們要想說

771
00:23:03,000 --> 00:23:04,000
我們要怎麼讓後續的課

772
00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:07,000
能夠有更多的高手可以進來

773
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,000
其實最好的地方是什麼呢

774
00:23:09,000 --> 00:23:11,000
就是學生既然學 Linux kernel

775
00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,000
那應該就是跟 Linux 核心的

776
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,000
這些開發者直接合作

777
00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,000
當然這個概念不難懂

778
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,000
就是有個朋友他說的

779
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:20,000
每天拋在開源發展

780
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,000
每天跟大牛合作不牛逼也難

781
00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:23,000
對不對

782
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:24,000
這個老中

783
00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:25,000
然後就是

784
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:26,000
這句話聽起來很簡單

785
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,000
就是你每天跟高手拋在一起

786
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,000
但是你有什麼管道

787
00:23:29,000 --> 00:23:30,000
讓這些學生們

788
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,000
可以跟高手拋在一起

789
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,000
所以往往就是

790
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:34,000
我們需要做一些調整

791
00:23:34,000 --> 00:23:35,000
我們有個切入點就是說

792
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:37,000
我們去研討會發表

793
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,000
就像這樣的一個 SEACON

794
00:23:38,000 --> 00:23:39,000
只是說它不是辦在台灣

795
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,000
它可能是在世界各地

796
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:43,000
那每年 Linux 基金會

797
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,000
會辦超過 20 場研討會

798
00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,000
其實主題不同

799
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:48,000
但我相信就是

800
00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:49,000
大家都可以去嘗試

801
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,000
然後再一次跟這個

802
00:23:51,000 --> 00:23:53,000
Linux Kernel 的開發者一起合作

803
00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:54,000
那像我們近期

804
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:55,000
有一個專案挺有趣

805
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,000
就是它是一個

806
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,000
很小很小的專案

807
00:23:58,000 --> 00:23:59,000
那但是這個專案

808
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:03,000
它大概只有六七千行

809
00:24:03,000 --> 00:24:05,000
但是它被 Apple 亞馬遜

810
00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:06,000
Apache Foundation

811
00:24:06,000 --> 00:24:08,000
然後 Google 這些公司

812
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:10,000
Intel 這些公司去使用

813
00:24:10,000 --> 00:24:12,000
那其實就表示說

814
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,000
事實上這是可以做的

815
00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:16,000
然後我們在過往也有

816
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:17,000
超過十五位學生

817
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,000
就在這個 Linux 基金會

818
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:22,000
舉辦了研討會去發表成果

819
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:23,000
那也因為這件事

820
00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,000
這些學生獲得很多關注

821
00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:27,000
我想是很好的事情

822
00:24:27,000 --> 00:24:30,000
然後這邊我想特別跟大家講

823
00:24:30,000 --> 00:24:32,000
就是很多時候

824
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,000
可能大家會覺得說

825
00:24:33,000 --> 00:24:35,000
台灣可能亮眼的科技

826
00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:37,000
比方說像 TSMC 這種

827
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:39,000
也是本次的贊助商

828
00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:40,000
是這個世界有的

829
00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,000
這沒錯

830
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:42,000
曾經台灣有一段時間

831
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,000
是領先世界很遠的

832
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:46,000
因為我活得比較

833
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,000
年紀比較大

834
00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:48,000
所以跟你講這些事

835
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:49,000
比方三十五年前

836
00:24:49,000 --> 00:24:51,000
三十五年前的個人電腦上面

837
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,000
扣掉只有兩個軟體

838
00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:54,000
不是台灣人寫的

839
00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:56,000
其他幾乎都台灣人寫的

840
00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:57,000
一個是作業系統的核心

841
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:58,000
另外一個是編譯器

842
00:24:58,000 --> 00:25:00,000
其他地方幾乎都是台灣人寫的

843
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:01,000
所以你要知道就是

844
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:02,000
曾經有一段時間

845
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:04,000
是有這樣的一個光榮的時候

846
00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,000
然後二十五年前的中正大學

847
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,000
吳森教授他退休了

848
00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:09,000
但是他在退休前

849
00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:10,000
發展成蓋茨

850
00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,000
那是當時世界上最領先的

851
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,000
不是我們說台灣最領先

852
00:25:14,000 --> 00:25:16,000
那是當時世界最領先的

853
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,000
這個搜尋型

854
00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:18,000
所以我只是想提醒大家

855
00:25:18,000 --> 00:25:20,000
曾經有一段時間

856
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,000
台灣在資訊科技是全方位

857
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:25,000
去領先亞洲多數的國家

858
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,000
我們講的不是中國而已

859
00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,000
是中日韓

860
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,000
這個是大幅領先的

861
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,000
當然現在有一個很大的改變

862
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:33,000
就是說事實上

863
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:34,000
在高度分工的年代

864
00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:36,000
其實你不可能

865
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:37,000
每個領域都兼顧

866
00:25:37,000 --> 00:25:38,000
所以其實有些領域

867
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,000
我們就陸續已經淡出了

868
00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,000
但是現在還是有些新的機會

869
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:43,000
那當然

870
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,000
順便講

871
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:46,000
我是國家太空中心的顧問

872
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:47,000
所以我要特別講一下

873
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,000
像這種立方衛星

874
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:50,000
我想就是說

875
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,000
太空工業是我們可以關注的

876
00:25:51,000 --> 00:25:52,000
因為它就是一個

877
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:55,000
很適合打群架的一個領域

878
00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,000
它可以把資通訊很多領域

879
00:25:57,000 --> 00:25:58,000
然後高度整合

880
00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,000
然後最重要是說

881
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,000
現在可能會有一個新的機會

882
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,000
就是不是只是做這種

883
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,000
碳空火箭做這個實驗而已

884
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:05,000
它有機會變成一個

885
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:06,000
真正的一個產業

886
00:26:06,000 --> 00:26:08,000
然後我想這個在台灣人

887
00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:09,000
其實是可以去嘗試的

888
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,000
然後再來是

889
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,000
我們既然講到這個

890
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:12,000
高度的軟體分工

891
00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:14,000
其實大家去想就是說

892
00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:15,000
我們資訊教育

893
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:16,000
其實有個很難的地方在哪裡

894
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,000
就是已經不是什麼工具

895
00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:20,000
程式語言

896
00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:22,000
或者是說開發框架的問題

897
00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:24,000
而是說你可以做多好

898
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:25,000
然後我們現在有一個

899
00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:26,000
很嚴重的問題就是說

900
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,000
絕大多數的台灣工程師

901
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,000
還是圍繞在這個層面

902
00:26:30,000 --> 00:26:34,000
就是說假設我們把馬斯洛金字塔

903
00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:37,000
把它對應到這個軟體的品質來講

904
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:38,000
我們其實絕大多數

905
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:40,000
還是停留在 correct 這一層

906
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,000
但事實上我們要追求更安全

907
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:45,000
然後最重要的是

908
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:46,000
希望讓這個軟體

909
00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:47,000
只能是可以立它

910
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:50,000
那這個是一個很大很大的跳躍

911
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:51,000
就是因為我們剛剛講過

912
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:52,000
絕大多數的台灣工程師

913
00:26:52,000 --> 00:26:54,000
還是停留在 correct 這一層

914
00:26:54,000 --> 00:26:56,000
至少不是說台灣工程師不認真

915
00:26:56,000 --> 00:26:57,000
而是你懂嗎

916
00:26:57,000 --> 00:26:59,000
台灣工程師要做很多事

917
00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:00,000
就是台灣工程師真的很辛苦

918
00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:01,000
但是要做很多事

919
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,000
那很不幸的是

920
00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:04,000
如果你沒辦法提升到

921
00:27:04,000 --> 00:27:06,000
最上面立它那一層

922
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:07,000
你沒辦法創造一個產業

923
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:09,000
你沒辦法說創造一個

924
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,000
垂直交叉的一個影響

925
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:12,000
那我想這個是我們資訊教育

926
00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:14,000
其實必須要突破的

927
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,000
唯有把這樣的產業建起來

928
00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:20,000
說真的才有突破點

929
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,000
再來是說

930
00:27:22,000 --> 00:27:23,000
我前面有提到

931
00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:24,000
我認為現在資訊教育

932
00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:25,000
有一個很嚴重的問題

933
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:26,000
就是在於說

934
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,000
我們本來是把電腦

935
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:29,000
應該是要當輔助工具的

936
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:32,000
結果它變成一個主體

937
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,000
但是我忘記原本要該做的事

938
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:35,000
其實我們在資訊教育

939
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:36,000
其實學的就是以教育來講

940
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,000
你要看

941
00:27:37,000 --> 00:27:38,000
比方說這個演算法

942
00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:39,000
這個系統

943
00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,000
那這邊我就引述

944
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,000
這個廢辦說的話

945
00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:44,000
你不能創造就不了解

946
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:46,000
知道自己不了解不可恥

947
00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,000
可恥的地方是什麼

948
00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,000
騙自己了解

949
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:50,000
就很多人聽到說

950
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,000
Linux 是零星商人發明的

951
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,000
你會覺得好好笑

952
00:27:54,000 --> 00:27:56,000
可是我問你

953
00:27:56,000 --> 00:27:57,000
特別是 Computer Science

954
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:59,000
讀 Computer Science 的同學

955
00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,000
你除了知道 Linux 核心

956
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:03,000
是由 Linux 創始的以外

957
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,000
那你知道 Linux 核心

958
00:28:04,000 --> 00:28:05,000
將近三千萬行

959
00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:07,000
你知道裡面是什麼東西

960
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:08,000
你到底知道什麼

961
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:09,000
說真的

962
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:10,000
你的認知就是

963
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,000
維基百科那些寫的東西

964
00:28:11,000 --> 00:28:13,000
但是維基百科那個認知

965
00:28:13,000 --> 00:28:14,000
說真的

966
00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:16,000
不需要各位讀了 Computer Science

967
00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:17,000
才知道那些話

968
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:19,000
我女兒讀國小

969
00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:21,000
她都可以知道

970
00:28:21,000 --> 00:28:23,000
因為維基百科不是可以念出來

971
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:24,000
她就把它播出來

972
00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:25,000
她就知道它在幹嘛的

973
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:26,000
我不是說我女兒聰明

974
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:27,000
而是說

975
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,000
如果你對 Computer Science

976
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:31,000
有了學習之後

977
00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:32,000
你對真實世界的應用

978
00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,000
還是停留在剛才那種

979
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:35,000
你的頭髮不是零星商人

980
00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,000
你是停留在這個層次

981
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,000
你講不出

982
00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,000
你自己可以為零星核心做什麼

983
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,000
說真的

984
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:42,000
你來學 Computer Science 幹嘛

985
00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:44,000
你能夠貢獻的地方

986
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:45,000
不是只有 Computer Science

987
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:46,000
但我想

988
00:28:46,000 --> 00:28:47,000
你看待事物

989
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:49,000
很可能就是用很窄的方式來看待

990
00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:51,000
這邊再引述一句話

991
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:53,000
就是 Grace Hopper 準江她講的話

992
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:55,000
她說船停在港灣是最安全的

993
00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,000
但那不是船停留在

994
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,000
船存在的目的

995
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:01,000
就是像剛剛提到的

996
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:03,000
如果你不能持續有效的解決問題

997
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,000
零星核心為什麼獲得巨大的成功

998
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,000
其實不見得它寫得好

999
00:29:06,000 --> 00:29:07,000
一定有比它寫得更好的

1000
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:09,000
但是它在很多層面

1001
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:10,000
剛好可以解決問題

1002
00:29:10,000 --> 00:29:12,000
然後它還可以持續在演化

1003
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:13,000
在我們演講的當下

1004
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,000
零星核心平均每一小時改版八次

1005
00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:17,000
不是改八行

1006
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,000
是改八次

1007
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,000
就是像 Commit 這種八次

1008
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,000
我想這個是很關鍵的地方

1009
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,000
就是說

1010
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,000
人們用零星核心真的來解決問題

1011
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:27,000
而不是怎樣

1012
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,000
而不是只是題目在哪裡

1013
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,000
那這個我想

1014
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:34,000
這是我們資訊教育要去突破點

1015
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,000
然後我這十年的嘗試在做的事

1016
00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,000
就是我們去找一些實際問題

1017
00:29:38,000 --> 00:29:40,000
去突破

1018
00:29:40,000 --> 00:29:42,000
那最後跟大家就是

1019
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:43,000
分享那個柴契爾夫人

1020
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,000
她也被稱為鐵娘子

1021
00:29:45,000 --> 00:29:46,000
她講過一句話

1022
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,000
就是說

1023
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:50,000
簡單說你要如果改變這個國家

1024
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,000
你就去領導它

1025
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,000
如果你對高等教育失望

1026
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,000
你對教育

1027
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:58,000
你對教育發現說跟你預期的不一樣

1028
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:00,000
你就進入體制來改變它

1029
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:03,000
好 那這個是我的聯絡方式

1030
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,000
我要怎麼用那個 slido

1031
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,000
可以來救一下嗎

1032
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:10,000
可以來拯救一下電腦白癡嗎

1033
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,000
好 感謝

1034
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,000
對啊 電腦白癡假裝一個

1035
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,000
假裝一個 keynote 開場

1036
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:16,000
壓力很大對不對

1037
00:30:16,000 --> 00:30:21,000
好 我們來 Q&A 吧

1038
00:30:21,000 --> 00:30:28,000
開放給現場的

1039
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:29,000
打開這裡好緊張喔

1040
00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:30,000
萬一是空的怎麼辦

1041
00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,000
又忘記排助教了

1042
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,000
好 那這個怎麼排到我的課

1043
00:30:34,000 --> 00:30:35,000
怎麼修到我的課

1044
00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:36,000
這很簡單啊

1045
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:38,000
就拿夾錢袋給我簽啊

1046
00:30:38,000 --> 00:30:40,000
然後呢

1047
00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,000
這第二個問題不錯

1048
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:42,000
就第二個問題說

1049
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:45,000
有沒有考慮在這個

1050
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:47,000
Wikipedia 或是 Wikibooks

1051
00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:49,000
去寫那個 Linux 核心的書

1052
00:30:49,000 --> 00:30:50,000
這個當時有規劃

1053
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,000
但是有一個問題就是

1054
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:53,000
Kernel 改版真的很快

1055
00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:55,000
像我在寫書的時候是

1056
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:57,000
我那時候寫書的時候是 4.20 版

1057
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,000
然後你大概可能知道吧

1058
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:01,000
Linux Kernel 6.1

1059
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:02,000
已經發布

1060
00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:04,000
那個 RC 版 後線版已經發布了

1061
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,000
所以 Linux Kernel 真的很狂按的

1062
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:07,000
我寫書的時候是 4.20

1063
00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:09,000
那我只是寫了一年多

1064
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,000
然後 Kernel 就從這個 5.0

1065
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,000
前面切到這個 6.0

1066
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,000
那如果是這樣的話呢

1067
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:17,000
就是如果它是一個

1068
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,000
類似 Wikipedia 的問題

1069
00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:20,000
就在於說它可能會很不一致

1070
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,000
而且裡面很多概念會

1071
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
就是描述可能會用語

1072
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:26,000
會衝突很大

1073
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,000
所以我現在比較希望

1074
00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:29,000
還是外科手術的團隊的方式

1075
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:30,000
就是說我找一群人

1076
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:31,000
我帶幾個學生

1077
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,000
或是有一些工程師我們帶

1078
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,000
然後可能有一個初步版本

1079
00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,000
然後我們在某個適當的時間

1080
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:38,000
把這個我們穩定的版本

1081
00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:39,000
把它發布出來

1082
00:31:39,000 --> 00:31:41,000
我們過程中還會再持續做

1083
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,000
中間的版本

1084
00:31:42,000 --> 00:31:43,000
就是像那個 Ping Pong

1085
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:44,000
就是那個 TikTok

1086
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:45,000
像 Intel 的 TikTok

1087
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,000
然後我們會持續開發

1088
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,000
然後會有那個

1089
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:50,000
最終會有一個

1090
00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:51,000
發布一個穩定的版本

1091
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:53,000
我想這個可能會比較

1092
00:31:53,000 --> 00:31:56,000
會比較容易控制品質

1093
00:31:56,000 --> 00:31:58,000
然後甚至我們可以獲得一些

1094
00:31:58,000 --> 00:31:59,000
有機會用這種模式

1095
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:01,000
來獲得一些廠商的贊助

1096
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:05,000
好 這個專有名詞

1097
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,000
這個呢

1098
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,000
這個是太難過了

1099
00:32:10,000 --> 00:32:12,000
就是我就像剛才提到了

1100
00:32:12,000 --> 00:32:13,000
台灣在 35 年前

1101
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,000
曾經是不要說領先各國

1102
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:18,000
就是真的是很領先地位

1103
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,000
就是軟體裡面

1104
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,000
只有兩個軟體寫不出來

1105
00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:22,000
一個是作業系統

1106
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:23,000
一個是變形器

1107
00:32:23,000 --> 00:32:24,000
只有兩個軟體不寫

1108
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:25,000
但是你看

1109
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:26,000
現在就沒有一個 D 了

1110
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:27,000
然後事實上呢

1111
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,000
很多詞都是

1112
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:30,000
台灣的詞很早的

1113
00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:31,000
比方說並行

1114
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:32,000
就是康克倫

1115
00:32:32,000 --> 00:32:33,000
康克倫這個詞

1116
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:34,000
什麼時候出現呢

1117
00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:35,000
1976 年

1118
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,000
1976 年在我們

1119
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:39,000
國家圖書館的刊物裡面

1120
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:40,000
就可以找到康克倫的翻譯

1121
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,000
那結果對岸把它翻譯成

1122
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:43,000
並發

1123
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:44,000
並發這個字什麼時候出現呢

1124
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:45,000
1999 年

1125
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,000
那你想喔

1126
00:32:47,000 --> 00:32:48,000
最神奇的地方是

1127
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:49,000
對我忘記講

1128
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:50,000
因為我在中國的學校

1129
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,000
還有兼課

1130
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:52,000
所以我可以剛好去

1131
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:53,000
中國的圖書館翻一下書

1132
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,000
而中國的書呢

1133
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,000
其實 1980 年代

1134
00:32:56,000 --> 00:32:57,000
把康克倫這個詞

1135
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,000
也把它翻譯成什麼

1136
00:32:58,000 --> 00:32:59,000
也把它並行

1137
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:00,000
到了 1999 年呢

1138
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:01,000
你大概知道什麼事

1139
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:02,000
就是一些海歸

1140
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:03,000
海歸就是那個

1141
00:33:03,000 --> 00:33:04,000
從國外歸來的

1142
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:05,000
所以他們翻譯很多詞

1143
00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:06,000
他也不知道怎麼亂翻

1144
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:07,000
其實那時候

1145
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,000
在中華人民共和國

1146
00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:09,000
很多翻譯呢

1147
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:10,000
其實不知道怎麼翻的時候

1148
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:11,000
就看中華民國的翻譯

1149
00:33:11,000 --> 00:33:12,000
這個很直覺嘛

1150
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:13,000
所以事實上呢

1151
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:14,000
我們的詞呢

1152
00:33:14,000 --> 00:33:16,000
是在兩岸

1153
00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:17,000
其實有很大的影響力

1154
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:18,000
但這幾年很不一樣

1155
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:19,000
就是說那種

1156
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:20,000
你知道嗎

1157
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:21,000
就是那種

1158
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:22,000
就是

1159
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:23,000
搞不清楚狀況的翻譯

1160
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:24,000
對不對

1161
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:25,000
你看喔

1162
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:26,000
把康克倫翻成並發

1163
00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:27,000
有什麼問題

1164
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,000
那 Paris 你要怎麼翻

1165
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,000
對不對

1166
00:33:30,000 --> 00:33:31,000
那就是遇到一些

1167
00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:32,000
很糟糕的翻譯

1168
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:33,000
就是很多翻譯是衝突的

1169
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:34,000
而且你自己去查一下

1170
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:35,000
並發的意思

1171
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:36,000
去查一下那個

1172
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:39,000
這個意思

1173
00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:40,000
並行這個字呢

1174
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,000
在禮記大同篇

1175
00:33:42,000 --> 00:33:44,000
兩千多年前的禮記大同篇

1176
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:45,000
先秦時代的禮記大同篇

1177
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,000
它就有個詞了

1178
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:47,000
並發這個詞

1179
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:48,000
我剛剛講過了

1180
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:49,000
1999 年以後才有

1181
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,000
連中國的這個圖書館

1182
00:33:51,000 --> 00:33:52,000
都沒有這個詞

1183
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:53,000
1999 年以前都沒有這個詞

1184
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:54,000
所以純粹是那些海歸

1185
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,000
自己憑感覺翻出來

1186
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:57,000
那所以這個

1187
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:58,000
這個詞呢

1188
00:33:58,000 --> 00:33:59,000
我不能說誰是對

1189
00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:00,000
誰是錯

1190
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:01,000
就是以文化來講

1191
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:02,000
都是演化的

1192
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:03,000
但是呢

1193
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,000
我覺得我有個責任告訴你

1194
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:05,000
過去的東西長什麼樣

1195
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:06,000
不然你又會看不懂

1196
00:34:06,000 --> 00:34:07,000
以前人寫的什麼東西

1197
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,000
然後你會很難理解

1198
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:09,000
曾經台灣有一段時間

1199
00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:10,000
是輝煌過的

1200
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:12,000
好

1201
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:13,000
這個

1202
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:14,000
高中資訊教育應該教什麼

1203
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:15,000
說真的

1204
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:16,000
我沒有在高中教書

1205
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,000
沒辦法告訴你

1206
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,000
抱歉

1207
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
就是我還是希望聚焦在

1208
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,000
在台灣的吧

1209
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:24,000
要怎麼考進成大

1210
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:26,000
很好考啊 同學

1211
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:27,000
不是

1212
00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:30,000
你搞屁啊

1213
00:34:30,000 --> 00:34:31,000
這個有什麼好講的

1214
00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000
對不對

1215
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:33,000
我們成大那個

1216
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,000
屁啊 沒有

1217
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:35,000
久久不到

1218
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,000
拜託

1219
00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:38,000
很好考的

1220
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,000
成大很多科系啊

1221
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:41,000
拜託不要問這個問題

1222
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:42,000
好 這個

1223
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:46,000
就算你沒有考上成大

1224
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:47,000
也沒關係

1225
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,000
如果你不想在台大

1226
00:34:48,000 --> 00:34:50,000
那你可以參考現場課程

1227
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:52,000
而且我現在長期住在台北

1228
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:53,000
好 大概就這樣

1229
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,000
感謝大家的參與

1230
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,000
謝謝

1231
00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:10,000
謝謝黃敬群的精彩分享

1232
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:12,000
下一場議程

1233
00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:13,000
十年之間

1234
00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:16,000
我的科技創業成長歷程

1235
00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:17,000
將於五分鐘後開始

1236
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,000
請大家稍作休息

1237
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,000
也歡迎大家與講者多多交流